I'm trying to do the math on turning our unfinished basement into a rental suite to help with our mortgage and I don't see how it can ever work out to be profitable.
Here is what I've gathered:
Expect cost of finishing basement to be $50-$100 per sqft (by contracting it out. No DIY)
Recommendations typically say investment cost should be paid off in ~2 years to be worth it.
Our space is roughly 900 sqft. To simplify the argument, let's take lowest cost: $50 per sqft, it'd cost us $45k. To pay it off in 2 years, we'd need to bring in $1875/month. I don't know any 900 sqft basement suite that can ask for that much money in Edmonton.
Have I gone wrong somewhere in my math? Or is it just not worth it when you have an unfinished space rather than one that exists and just needs a new coat of paint and a kitchen?
The cost would depend on the quality and extras that you may be considering. I agree with Haron that the cost of $50 may be high. I am assuming that you want just a basic suite with no frills. A bathroom that is functional, a kitchen/dining area, and a bedroom. I think the laundry area, if it's in the basement, would be shared.
What you have to consider is the ceiling (I'd suggest some soundproofing ... for your comfort), and the flooring. These two items are where some thought should be given. The ceiling, I'd suggest a dropped ceiling, which is relatively quick and easy to install, and sufficient lighting for each room. The flooring, depends on how level the current floor is and how cool/wet the floor is. It may require a sub-floor, to add warmth and insulate, prior to a floor covering. Then you'll need to decide on lino, vinyl, hardwood, carpeting etc.. Each has it's own merits and degree of pricing.
The kitchen and bathroom both offer choices as to quality but aren't a major issue. Sinks, counter tops and bathroom items range from "economy brands" to high end. I would suggest not going with the cheapest but a grade or two higher would do.
Think of this project in two ways. A source of income, yes but also a value added to your home for future use by you or for resale vaule. Keep it simple but decent quality and you'll do fine.
I have finished two basement apartment projects in the past four months. Both were one bedroom apartments (Kitchen, washroom, bedroom and a living room). One was 1000sqft and the other was 1100 sqft. The cost didn't exceed 30K in either project.
I am from Toronto. The basement investment and rental income can be compared in different ways.
If you have spare money in bank what is return that you get max say 2% ! Now the same amount of money do a legal Basement apartment.
1) The property value increases or say equity is build in the property ( based on Toronto market) and get more money then what you have spend. ( Good quality work with designer grade finishes and planning reward is always there)
2) In Toronto market you get any where from 900 to 2500$ + Utilities in rent depending on Location, if its a walk out basement, very bright, close to all amenities, kitchen with quality appliances, laundry etc. One Can get better return on investment then money in the bank.
Even if you calculate 900 x 12 = 10800 $ per year your investment of 35 to 40 k can be back in pocket, equity is build and its and income generating property hot to sell.
I have a couple of properties and they are +ve cash flow in current market, all are finished basement and generating income.
I am putting solar on roof this year as other source of income and under Micro Fit Ontario is giving 39.4 cents per Kw. for 20 years. so I have 10Kw system which will generate 3800 $ per year. system is costing 27K will be paid of in max 8 years. so for other 12 years it will give me 36k as profit.
Study your Edmonton market ask your Local Real Estate agent, Mortgage agent, can you rent the place easily, can it be legal, and see how statistic works in your part of the world.
Money in bank does not generate more in fact the buying power of $ is going down ONLY in Real Estate investment one can make money in long run, that is what I have seen in life.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for the replies. I definitely appreciate the gut check!
I thought the $50-$100 sqft range seemed high but I've gotten a couple quotes that are well within the middle of that range. One thought we were going mid-to-high range. The other we clearly specified we wanted base level, IKEA-kitchen-level quality for basement rental and got an $80 per sqft quote.
Our space already has everything roughly loacted where it needs to be, secondary entrance in place, windows/egress requirements satisfied already We thought it'd be straight forward and thought of doing it ourselves but just don't have the time. New home construction, so no potential existing structural or water damage to repair.
Based on the feedback here, I'll wait for a few more quotes and try to have a clearer conversation about our expectations. We have a few upgrades that we thought would only add moderately to the cost but maybe it's more than we expected such as a second furnace (req'd by code?), separate electrical panel for suite (we wanted a mechanical room where we'd only have access to so the tenants would need their own panel), good-but-not-crazy sound proofing.
Mark only mentioned the fact that your house will appreciate in value probably a lot more than what you put into it. The equity you create by putting in a decently finished and LEGAL rental unit should also be part of your equation. If you actually have a 4, 5, or 6 year payback and 50 K in additional equity, you are doing pretty good in my opinion.
If you are serious, you should check with a real estate agent and your mortgage person to get more financial opinions.
Don't give up on it, just investigate a little deeper.
Good luck with it!
KJD is dreaming. Compliance in alberta is 2nd furnace, separate entrance, kitchen codes, utility room codes..permits..separate parking area on property (street not allowed. If you do it legally it is at least $50-70.sqft. Guy must do them illegal...$15,000 fine if you get caught and don't comply..my cost alone is over $30-40,000...be careful who you hire!!..it is not profitable unless you plan on living in house 10 years or if it is for family.
Sorry correction I meant "Haron from Calgary"...there are so many fly by nighters in alberta right now it makes me sick...I wish government would crack down on them..we are supposed to be licensed and registered with service alberta..half are not...I get 3 calls a month from people who have been ripped off and it was low initial price in every case and then the contractor usually quit when he milked them for a payment and discovered he would not make a dime with what he quoted....sad AND BAD NAME FOR THE REST OF US GREAT BUSINESSES!
I have just started my journey into renovating my basement and turning it into a legal suite. What...a..can..of..worms.. haha
So I will have spent $30 000 just by putting in a high efficiency furnace, rinai hot water on demand system, A/C, hot water softener, heat return valve, and gas fireplace for the downstairs suite (because you need a separate heat source). That doesn't include the new base I needed built because I moved it to the garage..the leveling I had to do to the floor..because it was sloped..and now I need a fire proof room for it to be housed inside of (within my garage). I also need to upgrade my electrical panel to 125amp because it's a requirement.
My point it... these costs add up exponentially when you start getting into what's required by code within your municipality. And if you want any sort of return on your investment.. you'll want to make it legal. Also, if you go to sell, more people will be approved to buy your house because of the income suite. You have to look at it as a long term investment. No, you might not get your money back within 2 years. But another solution could be that you move to the basement and rent up the upstairs for higher income potential. That's what I might do.
Hope this helps!
I agree with the latter responses. Making a legal suite is alost double the cost of an illegal suite with all the new code requirements. I would expeCT the price to be between 60-70 per sqft. And don't expect it to be paid off in 2 years. Look at the average rent price and if that pays for the mortgage cost of the unit, some maintenance and a little cash in your pocket your doing well. Nowhere could you buy a house for $70k and rent it out for 1k a month. Good luck. PS. References references references for your contractor
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