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What is the cost for kitchen and bathroom renovation?

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Posted by: from Dorval
10/2/2014 at 9:57:08 PM

Good Evening,

We need to increase our kitchen counter space as we currently have virtually none. We believe that in order to do so, we'd have to remove the wall separating the kitchen from the dining room, and the wall between kitchen and the livingroom. We would need new cabinets, countertops and sink.

Also we would need our bathroom redone. No enlargements, but we would like to move the toilet to the opposite side of the bathroom in order to make room for a larger double sink.

What can we expect to pay?

Thank you,

David

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Date/Time10/3/2014 at 12:08:16 AM

There are so many options to choose and might have to install engineered beams to carry the load of roof and/or floor but I would have to say 15 000 for nice stuff.

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David in Dorval
Date/Time10/3/2014 at 4:47:38 AM

Thanks James!

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Date/Time10/3/2014 at 6:01:46 AM

There is no way that any reputable company can estimate this project without see in existing condition, especially removal of structural walls and involving structural engineer for calculation of load bearing and sizing of the beams.

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Date/Time10/3/2014 at 8:10:28 AM

Hi David,

Depending on the structural, electrical set up in your existing space. Also the ease of moving the drain for the toilet...is the toilet you speak of on a second floor or the main floor? And if on the first floor is the basement unfinished?

The range in cost for cabinets, backsplash, countertop sink etc is large.

There is a lot envolved in a project like this.

You are looking at a range from about 14,000.00 with all low end materials. And it can be as high as 29,000.00 with higher end materials. The range is also effected by a range of 3,000.00 to 5,500.00 depending on the issues to complete the work properly. That is in the above figures.

Good luck with your project.

James Fram

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Rolando from Rovimat Group Inc. in Toronto
Date/Time10/3/2014 at 3:47:32 PM

Hi David

It will be impossible for me to put a number on your reno.

My company doesn't work without the proper permits and engineering for that alone you looking at $5000 to $6000.

Then on a reno that involves any type of structural changes is impossible to price without seen the site because there is to many variables like :how hard is to shore the second floor, do you want the new beams pocket in or under the floor joists, are we installing LVL beams or steel, etc.

Then the last part is the finishings.

Without knowing your taste and what type of cabinets, counter, size of kitchen, size of counter, etc

Last is that if we removing walls the floors have to be redone.

So as you see is impossible to put a number on a reno like yours.

Good luck and the best way is to contact a reputable contractor and ask for a site visit.

Rolando

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Date/Time10/3/2014 at 11:19:20 PM

It is difficult to put a logical price on what you are requesting as it could range from $15,000-30,000 and all depends on what you are looking for. Best thing to do is have someone or three come and look at it and decide from there.

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David in Dorval
Date/Time10/4/2014 at 10:04:55 AM

Thanks guys for your helpful responses.

So far I've received two visits with three more scheduled for this week. The two I have received are from the two top highly reputable companies in my area and they have estimated between $30,000 and $36,000 for the kitchen and $20,000 and $25,000 for the bathroom! Umm.... holy cr-p! That's practically triple my budget! But these are the two top companies so it might be a little more expensive with them, but I don't think they would be 300% more expensive.

What other options do I have to increase counter space in my kitchen? I tried to post pics but for whatever reason it wouldn't work. I'll keep this post updated with estimates as they come in. Any suggestions you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

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Rolando from Rovimat Group Inc. in Toronto
Date/Time10/4/2014 at 6:14:51 PM

Hi,

It will be impossible for me to put a number on your reno. My company doesn't work without the proper permits and engineering for that alone you looking at $5000 to $6000.

Then on a reno that involves any type of structural changes is impossible to price without seen the site because there is to many variables like :how hard is to shore the second floor, do you want the new beams pocket in or under the floor joists, are we installing LVL beams or steel, etc.

Then the last part is the finishings. Without knowing your taste and what type of cabinets , counter, size of kitchen, size of counter, etc.

Last is that if we removing walls the floors have to be redone.

So as you see is impossible to put a number on a reno like yours.

Good luck and the best way is to contact a reputable contractor and ask for a site visit.

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Date/Time10/7/2014 at 10:49:53 AM

Hi David,

I see that you have received some very accurate information already. Specifically that it would be absolutely impossible to provide a price based on the information provided.

It is somewhat concerning that you have already received two quotes within two days of the posting. I say that only because even with a site visit, it is highly unlikely that anyone could accurately calculate the costs involved so quickly with just a visual observation.

As mentioned in some of the responses the variables just in finishes is unbelievably vast.

We have installed kitchens in the homes we build without all of the extensive structural retrofit work that may be required in your case that approached $200,000.00 and others for $35,000.00.

If you had a detailed discussion with the visiting Contractors regarding the level of finishes you are looking for then a quick cost estimate is certainly obtainable for the kitchen, but the structural rework pricing would be based solely on a "best guess". While this certainly satisfies an Owners desire for tangible numbers, I am afraid that you may find them woefully inaccurate. I would recommend planning for serious potential contingencies.

Also, be advised that making changes to HVAC ducting may in all likelihood generate a requirement for a revised HVAC design by your local Building Department. It actually does make quite a difference when cold air returns are blocked off and extra elbows are installed in ductwork. Furthermore, to be accurate and the least invasive, you can contact your local Building Department and attempt to obtain copies of the Permit Drawings of your home. This will determine what is load bearing and provide a knowledgeable Contractor a much more accurate picture from which to quote.

Guessing, even educated guessing historically leads to "Extras". Extras based on changes by the Client are inevitable, extras due to lack of adequate information in order to provide initial Owner satisfaction and to stay in the running is not technically professional.

It is similar to asking how much a car will cost without knowing what type of vehicle, make, model, or options.

It is unfortunately not always the answer people want to hear when planning a project, but the more planning and information you do and get prior to tendering to Contractors, the far happier you will be in the end.

Best of Luck.

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Kenneth in Taxes
Date/Time10/27/2014 at 11:57:58 PM

Haii James, I recently renovated my home and it came as I expected. The work was done by professional contractor and they were experts in their work. They came to home,took a look and calculated the estimate cost for renovation. The cost depend on the quality of product they use for it and area of the house. I suggest you to contact professional contractors for your kitchen renovation.

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Kenneth in Taxes
Date/Time10/28/2014 at 12:01:54 AM

Hi James,

I recently renovated my home and it came as I expected. The work was done by professional contractor and they were experts in their work. They came to home, took a look and calculated the estimate cost for renovation. The cost depend on the quality of product they use for it and area of the house.

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Jennifer073 in Toronto
Date/Time10/7/2015 at 12:45:14 AM

The cost depends on the materials used and structural foundation. I don't really think it's necessary to remove the walls separating the kitchen from dining/living room if your intention is only to increase the space. There is still a lot of option, consult and interior designer, they would help you with the materials and hence thereby cut down cost, using space effectively. We used stainless steel and aluminium panels instead of wood which helped us cut down cost. Hence I would insist to consult a good interior designer.

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Elizabeth in Ludhiana
Date/Time2/8/2016 at 1:37:19 AM

I am planning a kitchen renovation, but it's essentially a replacement of the existing kitchen with some minor changes in layout. If my calculations are correct, I can pull it off without changing any of the plumbing or gas rough-in locations.

However, there will be some changes to electrical rough-ins, as I want to add undercabinet lighting, garbage disposal, and an island.

Would it be possible to just hire an electrician to do the electrical work and not have to go through the madness that is an ALT-2 permit with engineer/architect and GC?

If I end up going the ALT-2 route, is it possible/legal for a homeowner to pull their own permit? Everything I have read says that a licensed contractor must pull the permit, but I intend to do the non-electrical and non-plumbing work myself (nothing structural, just cabinets, tops, painting, tile, flooring, etc.) What are my options?

Thomas

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Date/Time6/13/2016 at 2:19:24 PM

I think it depends on the kind of renovation that you are doing. If it is just a simple minor upgrade then I don't think it would cost you a lot. But it is a total revamp then surely it would cost you more.

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